Taxation and the Articles of Confederation

Can people delegate authority to the "State" to enforce taxation, authority that they do not have themselves? This and other taxation issues are discussed here.
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Taxation and the Articles of Confederation

Post by iamfreeru2 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:45 am

From the Articles of Confederation of November 15, A.D. 1777:
ARTICLE VIII. All charges of war, and all other expenses that shall be incurred for the common defence or general welfare, and allowed by the United States in Congress assembled, shall be defrayed out of a common treasury, which shall be supplied by the several States, in proportion to the value of all land within each State, granted to or surveyed for any person, as such land and the buildings and improvements thereon shall be estimated according to such mode as the United States in Congress assembled, shall from time to time direct and appoint.

The taxes for paying that proportion shall be laid and levied by the authority and direction of the Legislatures of the several States within the time agreed upon by the United States in Congress assembled.

Can anyone show me where in the above quote, the only reference to tax in the Articles, it says anything about taxing citizens or people. Those people living on the land of the Sovereign Free and Independent States of the Confederacy could consent, or NOT, to be citizens if they so chose. Nowhere in the Articles does it say anything about the power to tax the people, like some on this forum would have you believe. The people never gave the government power to steal (collect taxes) from other people. They knew to do so is giving "authority" they do not have to give. You cannot give authority to someone else that which you do not lawfully have yourself to give.
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Re: Taxation and the Articles of Confederation

Post by iamfreeru2 » Mon Jun 11, 2018 6:49 am

From the Constitution of Georgia; February 5, A.D. 1777

Whereas the conduct of the legislature of Great Britain for many years past has been so oppressive on the people of America that of late years they have plainly declared and asserted a right to raise taxes upon the people of America, and to make laws to bind them in all cases whatsoever, without their consent; which conduct, being repugnant to the common rights of mankind, hath obliged the Americans, as freemen, to oppose such oppressive measures, and to assert the rights and privileges they are entitled to by the laws of nature and reason; and accordingly it hath been done by the general consent of all the people of the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, the counties of New Castle, Kent, and Sussex on Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, given by their representatives met together in general Congress, in the city of Philadelphia; (Emphasis added)

And whereas it hath been recommended by the said Congress, on the fifteenth of May last, to the respective assemblies and conventions of the United States, where no government, sufficient to the exigencies of their affairs, hath been hitherto established, to adopt such government as may, in the opinion of the representatives of the people, best conduce to the happiness and safety of their constituents in particular and America in general;

And whereas the independence of the United States of America has been also declared, on the fourth day of July, one thousand seven hundred and seventy-six, by the said honorable Congress, and all political connection between them and the Crown of Great Britain is in consequence thereof dissolved:

We, therefore, the representatives of the people, from whom all power originates, and for whose benefit all government is intended, by virtue of the power delegated to us, do ordain and declare, and it IS hereby ordained and declared, that the following rules and regulations be adopted for the future government of this State:
Here is the only reference in the Georgia Constitution re tax:

Art IX All male white inhabitants, of the age of twenty-one years, and possessed in his own right of ten pounds value, and liable to pay tax in this State, or being of any mechanic trade, and shall have been resident six months in this State, shall have a right to vote at all elections for representatives, or any other officers, herein agreed to be chosen by the people at large; and every person having a right to vote at any election shall vote by ballot personally.


Does Art IX say that people are liable to pay taxes? It's all about consent. NO consent, NO taxes!!!
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Re: Taxation and the Articles of Confederation

Post by liberated » Thu Jun 14, 2018 2:17 pm

It appears the Georgia Article is expressing the white male inhabitant right to vote, provided he is liable for taxes, or being of any mechanic trade the way the article is written. The way it is written, the white male inhabitant who concludes he has the right to vote, by such act, claims to be one liable to pay taxes. Yes, White male inhabitant consent. It is interesting to note how they slide the liability for taxes into that Article with no mention of having to be a citizen thereof. Although he could claim to be of a mechanic trade but not liable for a tax since there is an and/or clause.

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Re: Taxation and the Articles of Confederation

Post by Logos » Fri Jun 15, 2018 6:45 am

Agreed

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